from today's daily wt text.. friday, december 31 2021.let your kingdom come.
let your will take place, as in heaven, also on earth.—matt.
6:10. christendom generally does not teach the scriptural truth that one day obedient humans will live forever on earth.
That WT article is very misleading. Christians have always believed in the paradise earth..... they just didn't call it that. They call it the Millennium Reign. This one hundred year old chart from a Baptist pastor illustrates.
After Augustine, the Roman Church allegorized the Millennium reign. But aside from that, Christ's Millennium Reign on earth for 1000 years has been bedrock Christian doctrine since the beginning.
a new space telescope launched a few days age that will supposedly be able to see to within 100 million years of the big bang.
wow... only 100 million years from the big bang.
that is pretty early given the 12 billion year age of the universe assigned by scholars who adhere to naturalism.
"Given the fact that the mechanism of "seeing" into the past is via the extreme red shift of the most distant galaxies, I'd say that's [seeing early fully formed stars and spiral galaxies] probably a pretty safe bet."
What you are calling a "safe bet" is my prediction from a Creation perspective. This is not what the big bang scientists at NASA are expecting.
That's why they have been "surprised" and will continue to be surprised by early fully formed mature looking galaxies.
"This means all telescopes view objects not as they are, but as they once were — in some cases millions or even billions of years ago. Because of Webb's sensitivity, it will be able to see all the way back to a time when the first galaxies were forming after the Big Bang, which took place about 13.8 billion years ago." - Article
This NASA website says this:
"Webb will be able to see back to about 100 million - 250 million years after the Big Bang. "
There is nothing poetic about it. If you think NASA is wrong, then you should let them know. If these images of the early universe come back with fully formed mature looking galaxies.... and scientists are again 'surprised" at how fast galaxies supposedly formed.... as I predict they will be; then this fits a Creation Model, not a Big Bang Model.
You are attempting to hijack my prediction, and say that observing fully formed spiral galaxies close to the time of the BB is a safe bet. It is a safe bet only from a literal biblical creation model.
The BB model presupposes stars slowly getting together over billions of years and assembling themselves into beautiful spiral galaxies.
a new space telescope launched a few days age that will supposedly be able to see to within 100 million years of the big bang.
wow... only 100 million years from the big bang.
that is pretty early given the 12 billion year age of the universe assigned by scholars who adhere to naturalism.
TD,
With all due respect. You haven't explained anything. Here is a NASA image that explains big bang predictions:
Notice how the big bang predicts stars and galaxies being formed long after the "big bang". This NASA website says this:
Webb will be able to see back to about 100 million - 250 million years after the Big Bang. But why do we need to see infrared light to understand the early universe? Because light from these objects is shifted to the red.
NASA expects to "see" the universe as it was 100 million years ago or so with this new telescope. This is a fact. You cannot change this fact. Your references to red-shift cannot change this fact. I have proved this with numerous references from NASA to show this. But, you are not receiving it.
If you think what NASA is trying to do is impossible because of red-shift, you should call them right away and explain it to them so they can stop misleading the public about being able to see an early universe.
Notice this Q & A from NASA Official: Phil Newman
Question:
When did the first stars form in the universe?
Answer:
"Results from NASA's Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP) released in February 2003 show that the first stars formed when the universe was only about 200 million years old. Observations by WMAP also revealed that the universe is currently about 13. 7 billion years old. So it was very early in the time after the Big Bang explosion that stars formed....This result surprised many scientists who thought that it would have taken much longer for gravity to pull enough matter together to make a star."
i've posted a link to an article that contains important food for thought.
as we search for information to free our minds and hearts of cult-like thinking which entails being able to critically think, we need to ponder research that is available to help us to make important decisions.
we need to allow ourselves to consider other possibilities, something that jw’s are discouraged from doing.
PP:
I think your misunderstood me. I didn't say he was an atheist. Bart Ehrman is characterized as being "agnostic leaning toward atheist" by Dr. Habermas on the video I linked to above. So, that is how I characterized him.
As a side note: the world's most famous atheist characterizes himself as an agnostic when pressed - Richard Dawkins.
Richard Dawkins publicly argued for the position of militant atheism and claimed that he will not feel anything after death (see also: Ex-atheists).[6][7][8] Despite arguing for the position of militant atheism previously, Dawkins told the Archbishop Dr. Rowan Williams that he never said was an atheist.[9][10][11] See also: Atheism and historical revisionism
i've posted a link to an article that contains important food for thought.
as we search for information to free our minds and hearts of cult-like thinking which entails being able to critically think, we need to ponder research that is available to help us to make important decisions.
we need to allow ourselves to consider other possibilities, something that jw’s are discouraged from doing.
Hi Barbara,
This author recently wrote an article titled "5 historical truths that suggest Jesus never existed". She's a psychologist.
It looks like this author is just another radical anti-theist who has jumped onto the band-wagon of Mysticism. Bart Ehrmann, who is currently the world's top atheist-leaning bible critic, says that such a view makes proponents of these kinds of myths (the myth that denies Jesus' existence) " look foolish to the outside world."
He cautions his atheist friends to not go down this road:
https://www.str.org/w/bart-ehrman-on-the-existence-of-jesus
On the other hand, modern scholarship on Jesus and the Resurrection, has been moving in the opposite direction in the past 35 years as Dr. Habermas explains here at the University of California Santa Barbara:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOW7k3hQ-vE&ab_channel=FallenEmbers
jerry bergman, ph.d., biology.
biography.
jerry bergman has taught biology, genetics, chemistry, biochemistry, anthropology, geology, and microbiology at northwest state college in archbold oh for over 25 years.
Doesn't look like "vienne" wants to disclose the issuing institution & dissertations from "mother and uncle B."
a new space telescope launched a few days age that will supposedly be able to see to within 100 million years of the big bang.
wow... only 100 million years from the big bang.
that is pretty early given the 12 billion year age of the universe assigned by scholars who adhere to naturalism.
Waton:
"SB: yeah just thinking, we are catching the balls or photons that were thrown that long ago. "
Think about this: If light only travelled as photons (particles) then in order for our eye receptors to catch them from billions of light yeas away, we might have to jump around from say Arizona to New York just to catch a couple of them from so far away.
Think of a shotgun blast where the BBs infinitely travel in a larger and larger pattern, but the BB's (photons) are all getting father and farther away from each other making it harder and harder to catch them on our retina.
But, that is not how light works. It is far more interesting than that.
Now think of a circular pond where you chunk a pebble into the middle. The waves generated from the pebble form concentric circles which will eventually reach every point of the shore of the pond..... because it is a wave.
So what light does is this: it travels as an immaterial probability information wave because it is a far more efficient vehicle. But then, upon observation of the wave, the wave collapses into particles (photons) that can be picked up by the retina of your eye. In other words, you don't have to jump around from Arizona to New York just to catch a photon or two.
The 100 year old "two slit experiment" proves all this as fact. Google it and watch some amazing videos.
Pretty cool huh?
It certainly appears that the universe was meant to be observed.
The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. - Ps. 19: 1
a new space telescope launched a few days age that will supposedly be able to see to within 100 million years of the big bang.
wow... only 100 million years from the big bang.
that is pretty early given the 12 billion year age of the universe assigned by scholars who adhere to naturalism.
TD,
You should contact NASA right away and let them know about your theory about how Red Shift will prohibit them from observing galaxies being formed. Because this is exactly why they spent 10 billion dollars. This is what the Big Bang predicts.
"This means all telescopes view objects not as they are, but as they once were — in some cases millions or even billions of years ago. Because of Webb's sensitivity, it will be able to see all the way back to a time when the first galaxies were forming after the Big Bang, which took place about 13.8 billion years ago." - Article
a new space telescope launched a few days age that will supposedly be able to see to within 100 million years of the big bang.
wow... only 100 million years from the big bang.
that is pretty early given the 12 billion year age of the universe assigned by scholars who adhere to naturalism.
TD,
Already preparing for another failure for the Big Bang model? Secular scientists aren't:
BTW, red-shift won't prevent the "time-machine" from functioning according to NASA.
"It’s a cosmic time machine, capable of seeing galaxies and stars as they were as few as 100 million years after the Big Bang, the unimaginably violent genesis of the universe."
“This telescope is so powerful that if you were a bumble bee 240,000 miles away, which is the distance between the Earth and the moon, we will be able to see you,” said John Mather, the mission’s senior project scientist at NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center in Maryland."
Big Bang Model:
The secularist has limitless faith that Nothing Exploded into Everything...even though this has never been observed. Then, supposedly after billions of years gases slowly coalesced into stars and then after more deep time the galaxies slowly formed, then after more time super massive black holes emerged, etc.
Literal Creationist Model:
Everything you see in the night sky was created in one literal 24 hr. earth day.
You can imagine that the evidence would be quite opposite between the two models. One model has an unguided explosion, the other purposeful creation. They couldn't be further apart.
We all know what explosions look like and for instance, what a Van Gough "Starry Night" painting looks like. Look at the evidence and make up your own mind.
The Big Bang model has many, many impossible characteristics. Here are just two:
1. Horizon Problem, the entire universe has the EXACT SAME TEMERATURE. How does an explosion achieve that?
2. The Flatness Problem, 
How does an explosion achieve a flat universe?
This video explains much more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARfRKqzat3w&t=2992s&ab_channel=BobEnyart
a new space telescope launched a few days age that will supposedly be able to see to within 100 million years of the big bang.
wow... only 100 million years from the big bang.
that is pretty early given the 12 billion year age of the universe assigned by scholars who adhere to naturalism.
A new space telescope launched a few days age that will supposedly be able to see to within 100 million years of the big bang.
Wow... only 100 million years from the Big Bang. That is pretty early given the 12 billion year age of the universe assigned by scholars who adhere to naturalism.
"A powerful European Ariane 5 rocket boosted NASA’s $10 billion James Webb Space Telescope into space on Christmas Day, kicking off a $10 billion attempt to capture light from the first galaxies to form in the aftermath of the Big Bang.
The hoped-for “deep field” images — baby pictures of the cosmos — are expected to shed light on the formation and evolution of galaxies, the supermassive black holes at their hearts and the life cycles of stars, from birth to the supernova blasts that seed space with heavy elements." - Article
I would like to make a prediction from a Creation Model:
Instead of finding a big mess as the big bang predicts; they will find fully formed stars, spiral galaxies and black holes. I further predict that scholars adhering to the Big Bang model will use words like: surprising, amazing, uncanny, astonishing, and will admit that stars must have formed far earlier than previously thought.
Of course Creationists won't be surprised at all.
It is a great time to be a Creationist! Stay tuned.
